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Вопрос: что делать в следующей версии Aml Pages 9.14
Carc: Вопрос: что делать в следующей версии Aml Pages 9.14 Вот здесь достойный и внушительный список, что не только бум делать, но и уже сделано Варианты: 1) Выбор мультикатегорий. Т.е. возможность назначать одной странице сколь угодно категорий. Очень давно запланировано было (вот кстати была дискуссия), проведен некоторый анализ, и в общих чертах есть примерное представление как такой мульти-выбор сделать.Может быть полезно Тем у кого весьма объемистые документы, в которых очень много разных разделов. Это поможет разносить страницы по разным типам, и потом работать с разными выборками, используя механизм фильтров. Сомнения: а не выйдет ли из этого уж слишком сложный механизм категоризации, тегов?!?! Все для тегов - вещь сама в себе может получиться. Т.к. сама по себе сложная категоризация будет требовать столько внимания, и столько времени - что никто толком и пользоваться не будет. 2) Панель расширенной навигации Update: уже сделано в версии 9.15 Некая панель, которая позволит переходить не только к отдельным страницам, но и к определенным фрагментам текста. Некоторый набросок есть, но все это вызывает массу вопросов. Что именно, когда и как там должно отображаться: Уже сделано в версии 9.15 только фрагменты текста активной страницы (а чем соседняя страница хуже) закладки на фрагменты текста и соседних страниц (а если их много, то не слишком ли будет перегружена такая панель навигации). В общем, тут очень много вопросов к приверженцам этой затеи - а как собственно это будет использоваться и для чего? Какую задачу решать? Тут же вот какое дело: если в такой панели навигации мало возможностей перехода к нужной части (фрагмент текста, соседняя страница, вообще соседние документы) - то и толку от такой панели ну практически никакой. Но, с другой стороны, если в панели навигации слишком много вариантов перехода - то это уже бардак, в ней черт разберешься - пока вглядишься куда переходить... Ага! Какая ж это быстрая навигация если она требует такого внимания и такого времени пользователя для работы!?! Так что такая панель навигации это большой вопрос к пользователям, которым это нужно. Для чего это будет использоваться и какие самые-самые основные цели: навигация в пределах страницы (см. на букмарки в контекстном меню редактора текста), в пределах документа? - смотрим на меню Закладки, нечто среднее - тогда между чем и до какой степени среднее. PS: есть предложение закладки внутри текста переименовать в обычную кальку с английского - букмарки (boookmarks). Ну их нафиг эти "закладки" - в данном случае английский значительно, как ни странно богаче в области терминологии: Favorites, Bookmarks, Tabs - а у нас всё "закладки" да "вкладки" - запутать можно запросто. 3) Хм... Ваши предложения?
patris: 1st. idea: Why not start by improving the current Editor, a basic and simple RTF-Text Editor to a full Word Processor. (including page breaks, rules, full paragraph formatting, full creation of Tables, etc.., etc,. etc.), this would raise the level of application and other demanding users could use the program. 2nd. idea: Re-structuring the architecture of the database to support the creation and management of "TreeTabs" (independent trees belonging to the same database). -------------------------------------------- Tree Database -------------------------------------------- Tab1 Tab2 Tab3 Tab "n" patris Windows Vista SP2
YMP: patris пишет: Why not start by improving the current Editor, a basic and simple RTF-Text Editor to a full Word Processor. Probably because Carc is not Microsoft Corporation but a single person with only one life.
patris: Hi YMP, You wrote: Probably because Carc is not Microsoft Corporation but a single person with only one life. Well, I'm not requiring a MS-Word version 2010, only wish that the TextEditor is enhanced to a level close to a good word processor, Nothing that a good programmer and developer, as Carc, could do with existing libraries and tools in the software market. So, Why stay with a simple TextEditor if you can have a good a reasonable word processor? Regards , patris
YMP: patris пишет: Well, I'm not requiring a MS-Word version 2010 Why not? Why stay alone if you can organize a software company and kick Microsoft off the market? AmlOffice is coming! patris пишет: could do with existing libraries and tools in the software market. Existing libraries? Could you be more specific and provide some links? And if "in the market" means they are for money, I doubt Carc will be happy with the idea.
patris: I think you should temper your excess euphoria ... (by the matter AmlOffice). I think you're devian the thread of the conversation. 1. I have never spoken to organize a software company ... 2. About libraries and tools to create a word processor application, is a matter of searching the Internet market. There are hundreds of word processor applications that have been created with existing resources. Did not you give credit to the ability of Carc? Maybe you should ask if Carc is using the correct tools and resources in developing the program, from my point of view, is using obsolete components that Microsoft released some time ago. 3. Are you part of the development team of Carc? I would like to know what you think about the issue Carc.
YMP: Okey, let's not flood the topic. As for me, I am just a user of Aml Pages, and my previous message was mainly a joke.
patris: OK. Understood. Conversation ended.
Carc: patris пишет: Well, I'm not requiring a MS-Word version 2010, only wish that the TextEditor is enhanced to a level close to a good word processor, Thank You! Yesterday I called from Microsoft and offered two million dollars that I stopped the development of Aml Pages patris пишет: Nothing that a good programmer and developer, as Carc, could do with existing libraries and tools in the software market. Library? How library? May be TrueRich for PASCAL. This is the not a library, this is the component for Delphi! patris пишет: So, Why stay with a simple TextEditor if you can have a good a reasonable word processor? Yes, of course, I work in this direction. But I'm not omnipotent. System libraries from Microsoft do not support a lot of opportunities and you have to do everything with his hands - it is easy and not fast work. Unforgettable blogger from Microsoft Murray tactfully does not answer all my sarcastic comments to them on the vaunted compatibility libraries RichEdit. Oh yes, he speaks the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. But he said not the whole truth, and evidence of this in my hands. About Ruler - i need to know of use-case sample of using of this component.
patris: Carc wrote: Yesterday I called from Microsoft and offered two million dollars that I stopped the development of Aml Pages Sorry, I will not comment on that. Library? How library? May be TrueRich for PASCAL. This is the not a library, this is the component for Delphi! For starters, you should get MS-RichEdit 6.0 with its "good friends" at Microsoft ... or maybe ... buy a good third-party component, such as "TRichView" or thinking about developing your own ... Currently, there are several known applications developed by authors of the Russian Federation, working and store notes (PIMs) such as: (Angelic Software: Info Angel 4.2 /OpenPIM 3.0 of Fedor Vlasov / Mars Notebook / My Notes Center / SEO Note / Smereka / etc. etc. you could look at and analyze. Other similar applications are also visible via the Internet. I do not understand the fuss and hysteria raised by posing in a good way (as an idea) the need to improve the characteristics of the current TextEditor in the program when it is a fact and true, is very basic. I think if the conditions and resources are not available for now, just say you can not do and case closed.
Carc: patris пишет: Sorry, I will not comment on that. This is the joke patris пишет: For starters, you should get MS-RichEdit 6.0 with its "good friends" at Microsoft ... or maybe ... buy a good third-party component, such as "TRichView" TRichView is not a library, this is the component for Delphi. or thinking about developing your own ... E.g.? patris пишет: Currently, there are several known applications developed by authors of the Russian Federation, working and store notes (PIMs) such as: (Angelic Software: Info Angel 4.2 /OpenPIM 3.0 of Fedor Vlasov / Mars Notebook / My Notes Center / SEO Note / Smereka / etc. etc. you could look at and analyze. Other similar applications are also visible via the Internet. This is Builder\Delphi\NET projects. Aml Pages writted not a Delphi, and Net. This is the Native code project.
patris: Carc wrote: TRichView is not a library, this is the component for Delphi. OK. but contains all the required libraries to deploy a good word processor. This is Builder\Delphi\NET projects. Aml Pages writted not a Delphi, and Net. This is the Native code project. OK. But then why choose the weakest platform? And why not change from Native Code to another?
Carc: patris пишет: OK. but contains all the required libraries to deploy a good word processor. And what? MS Word contains all for good text processor also... patris пишет: OK. But then why choose the weakest platform? And why not change from Native Code to another? Hm... No comments! You have some idea what is the amount of work? This is about the same question as "why not write a program for all tasks at all times and for all platforms." The answer is simple - It is possible!. Try ...
patris: Carc wrote: And what? MS Word contains all for good text processor also... So?, Why not get the MS-WORD .dll and applies them in the Aml Pages?
Carc: patris пишет: And what? MS Word contains all for good text processor also... So?, Why not get the MS-WORD .dll and applies them in the Aml Pages? I use MS-Word.exe for the using of MS-WORD .dll and applies all. You have to understand Please! This program is not a competitor word processor! It is simply pointless - word processors perform their role and beat them in their niche difficult. In my program is somewhat different purpose. And if you borrowed some elements from the word processor, I should quite clearly understand why they need it in the Aml Pages!
patris: You have to understand Please! This program is not a competitor word processor! It is simply pointless - word processors perform their role and beat them in their niche difficult. In my program is somewhat different purpose. And if you borrowed some elements from the word processor, I should quite clearly understand why they need it in the Aml Pages! OK. I agree that AMLPages not have to be a competitor to MS-Word or any other word processor. All right!, I accept that. I just wanted to improve the features and functions of Aml Pages if this is not possible, I understand. I just want to explain that this type of program is used by many users for various things, including writing text properly and not depend on whether you have MS-WORD or other ad-hoc program installed. Some developers have so understood and have incorporated these features into their applications. Each developer has the right to decide what he wants. In an open market for software, which offers very powerful and free applications full you must have a good product, nice and cheap.
Carc: patris пишет: nice and cheap If is nice - but is not a cheap! If is cheap - but is not a nice. Agree, have to find a compromise. Otherwise, we get clumsy monster, which makes it very much, and everything is very bad. Antoine de Saint-Exupéry said "Perfection - is when there is nothing to add. Perfection - is when there is nothing to remove." Sorry, I became acquainted with this expression on his Russian and simply do not know where to find the original French or in English. I am trying to develop the possibilities of a text editor, but I do watch out for clumsy eyed monster - let there be less, but it will be done well. And yet it is very time consuming project Aml Maple. Here for example, I can not grasp why we need the page breaks? Make it work for 20 minutes, but why should it be?
patris: Here for example, I can not grasp why we need the page breaks? Make it work for 20 minutes, but why should it be? You are trying to understand the usefulness of "page break"? Are you testing this function in MS-Office / OpenOffice, or other application?
Carc: patris пишет: You are trying to understand the usefulness of "page break"? Are you testing this function in MS-Office / OpenOffice, or other application? For printing only! You often print documents from Aml Pages?
patris: Rarely
Carc: patris пишет: Rarely But why need page breaks!?!
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